On today's episode of survival Dispatch News we're talking urban survival and What to do in the event of a nuclear Strike Today's video is sponsored by top Don Check out their js3000 with 3 000 amps Of cranking power and we're back with Mike Sterling uh EOD expert very well Traveled uh thanks for coming on the Show Mike Thanks for having me so I you know you Probably know more about bombs than Anybody I've ever met uh could you give Us your background you know how did you Get into you know bomb disposal and I Know you're very well traveled around The world as well So uh I was a combat engineer uh for my First five years in the Army and then uh I uh the big reduction in force was Happening at the end of the Gulf War uh The first Gulf War and then and I Figured I had I had to find a gig and uh I really like blowing stuff up I didn't Like getting shot at It was a good it was a good fit I also Like putting my hands in my pockets and Growing my mustache too long so yeah it Was it was a really good fit for me and I got into it I got hooked and there was There was no way that I could do Anything else so that that's how I got Into it did um 23 years in the Army 18 Of it is an EOD as a master EOD
Technician thank you for your service by The way thanks for thanks for the great Opportunities uh you you guys paid for Me to do things that I would get Arrested for in in any other Society Um we uh yeah I did like I said 23 years Uh did two years as a uh as a contract Instructor uh when I got out teaching Forensic uh studies uh for for military EOD and then after that I went to work For for issi we are the we're the oldest Uh commercial bomb Disposal Company in In the country and uh now I'm the owner Uh so good for you wow so so that's That's how that goes uh I spent time While I was on active duty I spent time As a as a member of the ERG that's the Emergency Response Group used to be Messed a long time ago so I used to have To go to I used to have to go to to uh Sandia Labs quite often take courses the Like uh it was also a technical escort Specialist so chemical and biological Weapons uh as well as as well as Radiological nuclear devices Uh were on there uh when the war first Started I was one of the EU EOD Technicians out there that also had a Certification as a forensic investigator Um so You know it's it's uh it's it's a very Broad world everybody says oh bonus Puzzle they just defuse Bobs now there's So much to it there really is so and
It's just the road that I happen to go Down So uh currently at issi what what does Your company do you know our services So we uh we perform we perform a lot of Professional Services for various Government agencies Um Uh We've got of course we do we do Everything literally I have a contract On one side doing doing cannonballs for The National Park Service All the way over to we're working Um we're going to be working with uh um A major Defense Contractor on the Replacement for the Minuteman missile Systems uh up in the Dakota so we are Literally doing cannonballs to nukes and Everything in between we uh we do we do Cleanup on sites uh mostly for private Folks uh Consulting okay a lot of safety Work things like that because they don't Let you defuse bombs every day and uh So uh yeah I mean we we do a lot of Weird stuff uh out there just because It's a bad idea doesn't mean it's not Going to be a good time Uh so I assume that that some of the Stuff you're doing is with law Enforcement at various levels Uh occasionally I consult for law Enforcement uh but law enforcement has Public Safety bomb technicians so and
They're allowed to uh they're allowed to Handle IEDs otherwise explosive devices And Commercial explosives that is their Entire mandate We do also provide Training Services uh You know we do quite a bit of training Services for uh We've offered it for for Law enforcement not a lot of law Enforcement pays for for their their Training most of the time uh but we've Done we've done a couple of really cool Exercises mostly from the red team side Okay and then uh but for the military uh We're still well integrated with our With our active duty partners and also Also National Guard Partners assisting With their training okay Um for the younger Generations that Don't have the depth of knowledge that We have uh for the pre pre-global war on Terror Uh studies so uh safe to assume you know Between issi you know working with the National Guard and other military Branches and 23 years in the Army Um you've got some experience in urban Centers in theaters of War uh that are You know all hell's breaking loose I did two tours in Iraq Um and the last tour was almost Exclusively in the Baghdad region wow so I don't like cities at all If I can stay out of them I will Especially uh the 2008 Battle of solder
City uh we were I I was my crew was There for that and that just that was Six weeks of no fun at all wow I can Only imagine so you know I mentioned Here before we started talking uh or Recording this episode that we pull our Audience pretty heavily and uh we asked The audience you know what they would Like to know more on and 54 of them came Back and said they would like to have More coverage on urban survival so it's You know it seems it's interesting Because it's a good fit with your you Know your background your education your Training all those sort of things So giving you know some of the basics Like when you were in in that battle and You know Iraq and stuff that went on for Six weeks What are the things that you all Practice then that could be beneficial To the average person who finds Themselves in a city that say under Siege uh you know whether it be nuclear Bomb or not let's just start like with Regular Urban Warfare stuff so I think Uh I I think probably one of the one of The big things that uh Uh that we practiced a lot and I had Um you know you talk about it and and uh And then you go do it but I I and it was Really pointed out by I can't remember The gentleman's name Selco I think it is Who uh who was in Sarajevo during the
During the siege of Sarajevo yeah Um one of the big things that he talks About there is you stop walking in Straight lines Running anything like that and you just Start naturally bouncing from cover to Cover to cover uh not concealment I mean If concealment's all you've got but yeah Bouncing from cover to cover to cover Naturally and I ca it's it's ridiculous Because I still catch myself doing it Today thank God my wife was in the Army As well she understands it so but Yeah uh cover to cover uh yeah and You're just looking for your next cover That and understanding Uh getting your head wrapped around that Third dimension of warfare most people Are are you know Out Left Right Out Left Right with your scans you start doing a Lot of this you start looking up a lot Interesting yeah you start looking up a Lot that and I'll tell you what uh for Urban Warfare comms are the biggest Thing and and of course in any kind of An operation any sort of operation I Don't care if you're on the far on that You know tier one military side or if You are just a couple that's trying to Prep comms are key And guess what's the absolute first Thing that's going to fail on you each And every time right cops so comms are a Continuous piece of work you you if you
Don't have comms you don't have anything And when you get into an urban Environment especially if you eat a lot Of concrete around you start getting Your comms doing weird things so you're Constantly having to look for as always High ground and high ground in an urban Center always means something totally Different than it does Out in the countryside yeah that makes a Lot of sense and you know maybe just to Point out for the audience I'm assuming That y'all had you know military grade Harris radios that are right many many Thousands of dollars these are not right These aren't like uh say uh you know a Consumer grade you know ham radio like This the Correct me yeah but aren't those Harrises that were something some like 10 15 000 they're worth a lot I know and You know what I'll tell you what so I Was using uh I was using a 148 uh at the Time and the ability to be able to free Cop Is great if you can get the fill into it Correctly I think I had a great combo Guy I really really did he kept me up And running all the time I don't I don't Know how to do it I It's over my head Um Uh but the big thing was Um those systems also also work in the
Blue Force tracker system or whatever It's called These Days Um the the integrated system so you're Now you're now Putting out Um You're you're putting yourself onto the Map and everybody can see yeah and and There's a there's a civilian component Of that called ATAC and which is which Is absolutely awesome Um It's a Wonderful tool especially for Leaders in a you know in a uh in a Technical environment like that I know a Lot of people a lot of people I know use It for uh for search and rescue use and The like but boy I'll tell you what ATAC Is great once you understand it take Some take some classes on it understand How to use it ATAC is great Um but the ability for somebody like a Drone driver at 10 000 feet over my head To call me and he's in Nevada and he Calls me through his drone and says hey Man don't go around that corner there's A whole bunch of bad guys around there Interesting Yes God So ATAC is something that uh you know Your average consumer can Get their hands on yeah Wow that's an ATAC I'm assuming it's the Acronym etac yeah I'm going to look that Up that's really interesting so
Essentially triangulates your location Based on well no what it is is it's a It's a it's a mapping system okay and And Uh then you're overlaying you're putting Your overlays of where people are and Things like that onto that mapping System and then every time I transmit Oop it upgrades where I am on your System okay so yeah so it's a Triangulation of where that handset is With a map overlay yeah that's that's Interesting that you can get consumer Grade stuff I gotta look at that because What a great way of keeping track of uh You know whoever's on your team your Family whatever the case may be that's a Phenomenal piece of advice Mike yeah That's that's it is wonderful kit right There uh if you know Frosty from um American milsim he is deep into that Thing That's really I'm going to make an over That don't mind me or uh I don't have Alzheimer's but I got some timers Sometimes I remember sometimes I forget Uh so so I have to write everything down Or I lose it so Frosty from uh milsom Yeah I'll I'll put you in contact with Him yeah and and I've got a bunch of Tbis so Five minutes from now this conversation May have never happened in my head Blown up a time or two uh yeah I
Actually resemble that remark Um So Taking it one step further I mean what Kind of advice could you give to people Uh for example we're a minute from Nuclear war right now all it takes is One Lunatic you know like Kim Jong-un in North Korea to light off one nuke you Know I I heard somebody I don't know if This was a week for a week before it Doesn't matter but somebody said if they Heard the words tactical nuke one more Time that their head was gonna spin off Because there's nothing tactical about Nukes one goes off they all go off Actually Uh actually on that so if you look at if You look at um Russian and Soviet Military Doctrine they actually they Actually segregate their nukes into a Into a tactical versus versus strategic I'm kidding methodology so they've got They actually have some very small sub Kiloton nuclear weapons Um and it's still I mean going all the Way back into the 50s and 60s it's still Part of their their Um Uh their concept of battle to use those Things and they do not understand the Concept that the West has of this huge Taboo of absolutely no nuclear weapons At all they don't understand it and
You're talking something you know sub Kiloton something that's going to Um wipe out say 10 square blocks right That's it limited pulse everything like That so Um yeah I mean that that's that's still On their list of cards and they don't Understand why we're all freaked out About that they're they really don't Um and nuclear weapons are not It's not the end-all okay it's not gonna You know you pop one they're all not Necessarily going to fly good to know Okay not necessarily Um and I presume you read that article That I wrote about about North Korea I Did yeah uh the biggest problem that say North Korea has They can launch it Um the big problem is they can't get a Very big Warhead on the platforms that They have miniaturization everybody Talks about oh you know there's this and There's that and the big common Denominator that determines whether a Nuclear power is a nuclear power is Miniaturization anybody any idiot can Make a nuke all right if you've got a 40-foot container to cram it into Interesting okay yeah um you know throw A little lead lining on it and and There's your there's your nuclear Container okay but if you want to put it At the end of a missile you got to
Miniaturize and miniaturization is Difficult there's a whole lot of extra Physics that goes into that Um there's a lot of extra technology now We worked we work miniaturization Heavily because well you know some of The paper clip uh boys that we got out Of Deutschland in the 40s They were big on miniaturization they Understood what was going on the Nazis Understood this long before we did Um and between we got we got Miniaturization we got targeting Information you know work out of those Guys the Russians got the Russians got Bigger weapons Um information out of their paper clip Guys so Our weapons significantly more accurate Right but miniaturization is key if you Can't get it small you can't put it on The end of a missile you can't or you Got to have a bigger missile and then It's still going to fly a lot slower It's got to go a long ways I mean you're Talking all the way across the Pacific What are we talking about 8 000 miles Something like that that is a long way To go especially if it's getting shot at As soon as it lifts off it's getting Shot at from Japan it's getting shot at From Guam it's getting shot at by the Navy right Once it hits apogee up top now we've got
Now we've got stuff like Um you know ground-based interceptor Uh which and the gbi system is Absolutely outstanding Um it's it's shooting stuff I mean it's Capable of hitting stuff all the way up At its apogee which is you know xoxo Atmospheric okay so once it's I mean Even when it's outside the atmosphere it Doesn't matter that that system still Shoot at it Um and then it's coming down and it's Getting even more stuff shot at it the Entire time that it's coming down so It's so one you gotta get it to to fly Which the North Koreans have been having Problems with right right um and then You got to get it through all that You know all those interceptors and then It's got to work after coming into the Atmosphere and at re-entering the the Earth's atmosphere is not a happy Environment to begin with so Honestly I look at the North Koreans and I go yeah no I mean probably the biggest Thing that the North Koreans are going To be able to shove over here Might be might be 100 kiloton device and That's and that's nothing to nothing to You know have problems with but It's it's not very it's it's on this on The scale of nuclear weapons it's not It's not really big and really what are They going to shoot it at you know the
Only thing that they can hit with their Current lift platforms right now is Pretty much that slice of the Pacific Northwest from Portland up to the Washington Idaho border interesting yeah Yeah so how would that compare Strengthwise to little boy you know uh World War II in Japan So Um fat man Was it fat man that was the first one I Thought it was little boy or little man Or something but it could be wrong Anyway those those two those two devices Uh were approximately and this is all This is all guesstimate because nobody Really honestly knows somewhere around 13 to 20 kilotons Okay yeah Um Not big but still it's gonna you know It's gonna make a hell of a mess Um and you you can't it's difficult to Compare you see the photos from Hiroshima and Nagasaki and it's it's Difficult to to compare striking one of Those cities with nuclear weapon versus Striking a um you know striking a modern City built out of a lot of brick and Feral concrete okay Um you know for what it's going to do of Course it flattened those cities because Well they're made out of wooden paper That's interesting yeah so so I
Appreciate the education learn something New every day I had no idea that the Russians had you know tactical nukes and Strategies behind that and whatnot right So You know other than don't be at Ground Zero you know yeah yeah step one don't Be there Um What are some things that that people You know could start getting their heads Wrapped around let's let's just say God Forbid that we end up in a nuclear war With the bad guys Um and they start hitting our cities and Stuff like that besides you know getting Out of Dodge what are some of the other Things that will come into play So I I always I always predicate all of This with one I don't know what these Guys are actually going to do because to Tell you the truth I don't think they You know they're politicians I don't Think they know what they're going to do Half the time Um and two Probability the law is a probability the Probability of this actually happening Is very slim still okay very slim Especially with the Chinese if you look At the Chinese you know what what's What's the end goal they're going to Shoot a nuke at their best at their best
Uh client right you know I mean we buy We buy more of their goods than anybody Else on the planet right the Chinese are At heart if anything Merchants first Okay if you look at the Chinese psyche So Um you know the honestly I would say I Would say probably more likely than Anything else would be like some Rogue Russian general or something like that That you know in just pure desperation Or something like that would kick off You know an ss21 or something like that Okay I don't know uh okay so Um you start with your your three Tenants let's say four sake of argument That somebody does lob a magic mushroom Maker into a major U.S Metro right or if Uh If somebody You know gets a wild hair up their butt Uh steals a weapon brings it into La Harbor you know in a in a container ship Or something like that or San Francisco Or Seattle something like that just a Quick point on that so my brother-in-law Was Navy Intel for 12 years and you know He ran the desk uh for bayron and Obviously he can't discuss that stuff Very much but in a nutshell he said you Know his job and the other people that He worked with was to track all of the The most potent weapons that were in the
Middle East but make make sure that they Didn't get into the worst of the worst Hands accepting the fact that the the Best of the worst were still bad guys Right trying to keep it away from the Worst of the bad guy sort of thing yeah Counter proliferation in the 90s was Yeah that was a that was a world right There when everything everything had Come apart in in Russia and all the Nukes are up for play so you've got a Third world country that is coming apart At at the seams like a cheap Vietnamese Suit and And there's nukes in play yeah that yeah And that was that that was problem all The way up until probably about 2010 Time frame and that was always a Question uh great book on counter Proliferation if you happen to happen to Ever stumble across it called one point Safe if you saw the movie uh The Peacemaker it's based on that movie or Based on that book so It's not a novel though it's it's a real Snoozer if you if you're in a situation Where you've got terminal uh uh insomnia It's it'd save your life that's funny so You mentioned there were like three Basic things right so the three tenets Of uh of nuclear safety or radiological Safety Um and it's it's the three pillars time Distance shielding
Right TDS all day every day uh so uh Let's start with distance of course the First rule Don't be there when it happens yeah Right or get as much distance between You and it as you can so the deal with Distance And uh uh distance is is key so if you Say I have uh I have 100 Rems of gamma radiation At this distance right okay now I double That distance are you familiar with the Inverse Square law yes okay so if I Double that distance I have 100 Rems at This reading if I double that distance I Am down to you reduce it by a factor of Four okay now I have 25 Rams at Double That distance okay okay and that is a Constant with all ionizing radiations Interesting yeah and so Kind of like decibels just different Right same thing right well I mean you Know Sound is still a radiation it's just a Different form of radiation right Uh so just on the on the the you know The time and distance topics Um obviously none of us have a crystal Ball so you know it's not like we know That there's an incoming nuke or Anything like that right I read that 22 Million Americans last year Um migrated from Urban centers to rural Areas I mean
It's not a trick question or anything But I can't think of anything else that That was really applicable unless you Have some insight well Um you know As usual look at what your target zones Are Um you know the only reason to hit La The only reason to hit Seattle the only Reason to hit San Francisco uh the only Reason he hit Denver New York stuff like that is for the Optics of it okay that's it they're not They're not strategic Um now granted those West Coast a lot of Those big the coastal cities they've got Big ports all right so you hit Seattle You were going to screw up traffic Throughout the entire United States big Time Um But like I I live out here by Huntsville Alabama Right Huntsville Alabama man we have got We have got space command coming in here We have got uh ballistic missile defense Command we've got you know huge NASA Stuff we're a Target again my value oh Yeah we're we're we're on the we're on The we're on the list again So I would not be surprised if we caught One out here Um but that's going to be strategic That's going to be the Russians or the
Chinese hitting us with that the North Koreans can't they they lack the Capability to be able to reach over here But uh yeah you know I mean it wouldn't Surprise me Um and then you've got then you've got Places with large military installations Of course you know the large military Installations are going to be the places That are going to catch something first Okay all right especially especially the Joint bases you know if you look at yeah You're out in Washington you look at Lewis McCord right Um or you look at the uh he'll get the Big uh nuke bases up in the Dakotas Montana the like even Alaska Hawaii Stuff like that I mean those places are Just loaded with military bases so so of Course stay away from the targets if You're not near a Target it's not really Much of an issue and you also have to Worry about Um is there a Target upwind of you Because of course you're going to have Downwind flow for anything that comes From that that detonation so So that's you know enough right now on Distance Um time Of course if we look at are you familiar With Half-Life yes Right so uh Definition on half-life's
So the interval of time required for an Atomic nuclei of a radioactive sample to Decay to half of its initial value so If I have a if I have a component of Cz137 and it is at this point right now Uh and it's Half-Life is at 11 hours in 11 hours it will be at 50 percent of its Initial value Right so that's that's how and then Every 11 hours it's going to Decay to 50 Of that current level in a long slope So Uh and then of course you've got you've Got not only do you have Decay but then You've also got you know it's eventually Going to change into other elements Because cesium drops into borium into Barium and uh you know and there there's A and those are all called daughter Atoms and things like that but yeah it's It's degrading rapidly into into Something else or not so rapidly Depending on the element that you've got So uh so that's where time comes in Time is actually your friend on on these Sort of things Um and you've got Uh Uh and you know that's that's that's why In in the bunker methodology is is first Thing hit that timer time time counts Okay Um So yeah that that's a big point there
And then there's shielding Shielding is a good one shielding is Tough though Um you wind up needing a lot of things And shielding can be Earth shielding Could be Um shielding could be steel shielding Could be lead water is probably one of The best shieldings out there no kidding I did not know that yeah yeah Ionizing radiation does not penetrate Water well at all it and the big thing It's kind of like light in that matter Where it Fractures it and makes it go in in Different directions okay Um yeah so Um so that that's that's an issue uh but I mean you're talking about you're Talking about basically having an Olympic pool on top of your bunker is What you're looking at in a situation Like that but like I've worked with a I've worked with a couple bunker design Companies who uh some folks up in uh uh Up in Kansas City that that actually Designed these things and one one of the Very first things that we did is we Shifted where the water tanks are and we Put them on top of the bunkers Interesting right so we buried a little Bit deeper but we put all the water Tanks on top for added shielding so now You're dealing with soil and water and
You know you're looking at you're Looking at probably five six feet of Soil and then probably three four feet Of water So stupid question yeah would that water Be safe to drink after an attack or it's It's contaminated no no no no no no okay So so I know you're talking shielding But let's say you know the bomb stock Rye and infrastructure is all blown to Hell and back right so it's going to be Important there's a misnomer about okay It's been it's been affected by by gamma Radiation you can't drink it now why You're going to and some things will Hang on to residual they'll absorb a Quantity of ionizing radiation and then They'll put that off but you're talking Hundreds of thousands of Rems everybody Around there is already dead I don't Care how much I don't care how much Shielding you've got you're basically at Ground Zero in a situation like that You're in an area of that much radiation Hardly anything puts off I mean you're You're talking about the Sun On that sort of thing so yeah the the That's why you know you're gonna get You're Gonna Get You know the areas Right around the crater they're gonna Remain hot You know Ray you know radioactivity wise For for decades But that's because you're in the zone of
Total Destruction still so so I mean Um You know assuming you're not at Ground Zero right uh does it make sense here's An interesting question for you actually Uh not too long ago I went looking for You know bomb shelters because when we Were kids there were Sirens all over the Place and there were shelters all over The place and we had debts to hide under Right yeah if you get under your desk You'll be safe right same thing goes for Lunatic you know Mass Shooters Um in gun-free zones Um Do we have any shelters left because I Could not find anything as far as the State of Florida or Georgia was Concerned which is where my wife and I Live and go back and forth Uh probably about the best thing that You're gonna look for in a situation Like that is gonna wind up being uh Gonna wind up being tornado shelters But uh civil defense shelters civil Defense shelters don't exist anymore That's what that's kind of what I Gathered from the search but I didn't Know for sure yeah so now you can look Now a lot of those places still exist They're just you know either out of use Completely or in use doing something Else things like that you still go there You know I mean there's a Old World War
II Armory in Daytona Beach right on the Intracoastal and you know it's it's Covered up in dirt and soil and Everything you know it looks like a Quonset hut range like a half round yeah Uh yeah it's the closest thing that I've Seen to what we had when we were kids Yeah so I'm just trying to get it Through my head like if you're Ground Zero You know right you're incinerated Basically Um the next thing if you don't have a Shelter just you know not too far away Um The next best thing I'm guessing is to Take iodine supplements so that your Thyroid doesn't soak that up or so okay Now that's when we start getting into And and the course that I teach on this Is actually it's actually in four parts Um and the Bare Bones minimum that's I'm Skimming the top of this whole thing Just slicing the edge of the onion here Okay Um the the basic course that I teach on This is six hours long Um and that's Just for basic rad safety And understanding the concepts of all of This but we get into you know we get Into PPE and you know a quick primer on PPE and everything like that so uh but So the big thing now that you have to
Understand and and recognize is that There's two essential types of Hazard Coming off of radioactive Hazard coming Off of this first is ionizing radiation Now ionizing radiation is a beam okay uh It is we're talking about Gamma we're Talking about X-ray and we're talking About Neutron radiation okay now that Pulse is going to take 60 to 90 seconds And then it's gone it's never going to Exist again when you have a primary Phase and you have a secondary phase the Primary phase 60 to 90 seconds it's over it's never Happening again it is hard radiation it Is it's going to penetrate through all Kinds of stuff it is going to tear stuff Up Limit is gone okay Um one thing to always remember about Human physiology when it comes to Ionizing radiation is radiation is Cumulative Okay so any radiation damage that you Have is cumulative I think I've got I Think I've got somewhere around 18 18 Rems equivalent for my for my entire Career which is nothing okay uh you Really don't even have to start worrying Until you uh you don't even really have To start looking at it really really Hard until you hit over 100 Rems Accumulated Um
A thousand is the equivalent of of what Everybody considers to be a life dose And of course that's going to be Different for everybody especially the Older that you are Um uh all because we're older you're Over 45 your metabolism has slowed a lot Your chances of getting leukemia bone Cancer anything like that are Significantly reduced below what anybody Else is going to is going to have so if You've got somebody that has to be you Know on the most hazardous side with the Older people there one you're going to Live less I mean I've got less let's Face it we've got left's life left in us At this point just chronologically Speaking right Um so you know the chances of us being There longer are are lower but at the Same time then we're also looking at a Question of of our metabolism being Lower and everything you know our Chances of acute radiation sickness are Are lower Um that and I'm not going to lose my Hair so oh that's already happened but Uh so that's your ionizing radiation now X-ray x-ray is not nearly as damaging as Gamma and neutron are Neutron is just Awful you get a huge Neutron pulse uh Off of a nuclear weapon it is very very Strong depending on the size of the Weapon the larger the web and of course
You know plus you also have to do with You know Cobalt jacketing and the like Neutron uh Neutron boosting so uh you Get that Um If you get if if you catch a big Neutron Pulse forget it you're done Um you hear you hear a lot of the guys Uh you read a lot of analogies out of The uh out of the stuff and the testing From the 50s and also the uh um the Event where they were tickling the Dragon's Tail uh in uh in New Mexico Back in the 40s when uh when they had Those two clam shells of plutonium Smacked together and everybody saw a Blue flash everybody that was there they Saw a blue flash well there's actually No blue flash Uh all cameras have tried to record it Everything like that it actually doesn't Happen uh but it's it's the neutron Pulses going in and uh basically burning Out your your optic nerve or a portion Of your optic nerve wow yeah Um so yeah you see that forget it may as Well enjoy yourself for the next 24 Hours that's about all you got 24 to 48 hours you're done okay but Shielding again shielding slows down Neutron pulses significantly okay gamma Will travel a lot further through a lot Further things because it moves slower Than the neutron
Um so it's going to basically bore its Way through a lot more stuff but You can still get out of it okay this is You know nuke is survivable that's what So many people just don't understand Nuke is survivable you can get past this All it takes is just a little bit of Brain power you know get yourself into Uh you know if you can get yourself into A stairwell or into the center of a Building even in even into like Um you know for shielding purposes if You can get yourself like into uh you Know into an open elevator inside of the Center core of a large concrete building Okay and you've got a ton of shielding On you at that point okay you really do Don't let the doors close of course Because then then you're stuck if you've Never had to pry your way out of an Elevator before you're going to learn Today Um well I competed for years on the National power lifting team and uh we Were at a meet in Reno Nevada years ago And I was competing 275 at the time and I was the smallest guy who got on this Elevator were five other guys that were All super heavy so that's over 308 Pounds and I can't remember what the Weight limit was on that elevator but we Weren't inside of it for 10 seconds and It broke and thank God we was on the First floor but the whole thing you know
Snapped and we hit the Springs below That and then we were trapped you know The door spot this much room you know When you open it up to get to the floors Yeah and you were the only one small Enough that was gonna be able to squeeze Out that hole at 275 yep Okay so so that's that's your ionizing Radiations that's that's your that's Your your beams Um then you switch over and you I've got To look at your particulate radiation Hazard okay Um now particulate radiation is actual Physical Piece of material now a lot of the time A lot of the time that is a component That has been Um and this is commonly termed Fallout Um And what you're looking at is is you've Got a couple of primaries you've got Cesium 137 you've got strontium 90 and Those are the primaries that come off of Uh off of a weapon itself Um Now what you were talking about Um taking Um you're yeah you're potassium iodine Pills that is that is to that is a Prophylactic To protect you against uh radioactive Iodine which is iodine 131 132 34 35 That is a fission byproduct a nuclear
Weapon actually puts off incredibly Small quantities of that okay okay the Primary place that you get a lot of Radioactive iodine from is a faded giant Event like Chernobyl where you're where You're dealing with a with a meltdown Situation so it's and that's the big Problem with a with a with a nuclear Reactor breakdown is that it's It's not putting out a huge quantity of Of radiation and material but the Problem is it's putting it out Constantly over a long period of time That was the problem with your Noble is It was putting out you know it was Pumping out smoke and all kinds of nasty For weeks And you know that that downrange plume Just gets bigger and bigger and bigger And it's pushing it out all over the Place so so the the peripheral axis of Potassium iodide what that does is that Fills your thyroid with A iodine that is uh that that your System can actually metabolize right Iodine 127. right I want to soda 27 so The 131 32 35 the like can't find any Space in there so it just goes through Your system okay Um one thing to always remember is that It's a course for what is it two weeks 14 days something like that I think it Is yeah I mean the recommendation is not A month's worth but it's typically two
Weeks right so that's your course twice A day for for 10 14 days the like but You also need to look at once you're Done with that course you got to give Your thyroid a break I want to say it's Like 10 days between courses something Like that you know check with a medical Provider don't don't don't stick with me On that one but yeah they're supposed to Be a break between courses on that or You will wind up with you know your Thyroid being this big and you know Looking like a goiter and right yeah That's that's that's not good Um So Uh yeah so that's that's where you're You know that that's where your Potassium iodide comes in so now let's Look at so say cesium-137 cesium-137 Primarily that's your that's your big One that is what everybody's going to Call Alpha contamination okay Alpha Contamination is approximately it's About the same size as talcum powder In size okay now Alpha contamination Cannot penetrate your skin Uh it's putting off very very low Quantities of uh of X-ray radiation but It is breaking down so fast and I mean Really fast it's breaking down so fast That that first That first say 11 hours that's where you Hear the concept of crackle and dust
Yeah well yeah it's actually producing a Lot of static electricity around it and Things like that Um now so you've got two season 137s you Guys regular season 137 it's got a Half-life of 30 years okay you're gonna Have some of that but predominantly You're going to have cz137 miba Um and it has a half-life of two and a Half minutes and that's the predominant Type that you're going to wind up with Now it's putting out quite a bit of Nasty stuff and you can't actually Measure the uh you can't actually Measure the X-ray coming off of it Because it's so unstable it's up and Down it's all over the place it's going All over Um but what you can do and it's measured In counts you have to have a totally Separate monitor for that you have to Have an alpha contamination monitor okay To be able to measure that okay so I've Got a geiger counter good for you okay Geiger counters or Geiger Mueller tubes Whichever Those are built specifically to measure Ionizing radiation Um don't think that you need to go get a Neutron uh monitor because I'm here to Tell you they they have a default Setting of going to going to whatever Point on their needle that it goes to And just staying there because then the
People that come along you know a couple Days later and pick up the meter or Right next to your corpse go oh yeah This guy pulled ten thousand counts Or 10 000 you know Sievers whichever Right off the bat yeah yeah no wonder he Died yeah so Um yeah so don't even worry about a a Neutron Monitor and and uh you know that So you've got you've got a gamma monitor Um you can get an x-ray x-ray monitor But they're they're they're difficult They're expensive it's it's it's Unnecessary Um honestly honestly I stick with I Stick with multi-option monitors uh you Know I mean professionally because of What we do we've got we've got our Systems and they they're multi-option I Can do alpha I can do I can do gamma I Can do uh yeah I mean I can do uh I can Do beta the like I can do all kinds of Fun stuff with the same monitor Um and it's self-calibrating that's the Big key so so Um but your your Alpha contamination is Going to break down very very quickly Okay it floats on the Wind Um once you achieve approximately ten Thousand counts Um it's going to basically hang in a fog There's there's actually a practice room Out in in Albuquerque at the department Of energy facility where they've got a
High alpha contamination room You walk into it and it's like it's Literally it's like walking in fog but It's like 30 000 counts of alpha Contamination in the room And and that's bad so how is the alpha Going to actually affect you if it gets On your skin who cares it's not going to Do anything to you okay it's it's talcum Powder you wipe the stuff off it's it's Not a problem the only way that it's Going to affect you is if you breathe it Right you're getting it into your mucous Membranes that way if you eat it that's Why there's no eating in in these Environments and then if you if it Happens to get into your eyes once again It's it's entering through your mucous Membranes it's opening entering through Open Cuts anything like that okay um and Of course if you just survived a nuclear Blast you may have a lot of glass cuts And you're getting a bunch of that stuff Into your system but like I said until You hit until you hit with with uh Alpha Until you really hit I think the OSHA Point is 5 000 counts which is Significant Um they don't even OSHA doesn't even Recommend that you need to mask until You hit like 500 counts okay uh the Military uh we're usually at the 1000 Counts Mark right you know but uh Yeah so and it just it just depends on
What you're dealing with in that kind of Decision I'm just I'm going through my Notes here before we wrap up so you know If you're in an urban center and it's Being attacked let's say it's Conventional Warfare It's not nuclear I Get in the habit of moving cover to Cover uh make sure that you're looking Up as well as you know laterally which Is we talk situational awareness all the Time uh you know comms are really Important we're going to look into that ATAC stuff I'd really like to talk to Frosty at Milson and then if if we take A bad situation and we make it worse and Introduce a nuclear element Um If there's a tornado shelter close by That's probably a good place to get Otherwise better nothing building Basements basements are beautiful places Provided the building doesn't come down On you Right and then you know you talk you Know time distance and shielding so that Half-Life you know the the more time You've got on your hands the better uh Getting far away especially from uh high Value targets like uh military Installations And shielding whether it be you know Earth steel land or lead part of me Water those sort of things uh Having some iodine on hand having a uh
You know a mask like a tactical mask That's got eye cover as well as Breathing yeah full face a full face Mask is a great thing uh in these sort Of things just for for Respiratory Hazards uh I mean you know I I mean even If with all the with all the pulverized Pulverized Concrete in a in an Environment like that So sorry there Mike uh that's just my Alarm reminder that I've got to get to Another meeting No problem I'm going to take all of your Notes I'm going to put them down below In the description for everybody uh so I Got a favor to ask and if we can make it Happen that's great if not that's okay As well if there's any way that we could Get you and frosty on Survival Dispatch News at the same time uh we have a huge Uh interest amongst our followers with Regards to Communications and Ham radios And all that stuff as well you should Yeah yeah I mean that would be a really Amazing conversation if we could put Something together like that but uh you Know at the end of the day Mike really Appreciate you coming on really Appreciate your service to our country Um look forward to speaking with you Some more in the future uh that six hour Course sounds really interesting I'd Like to discuss that with you often oh It's a drudge it's it's so painful well
I think that kind of depends on you know Uh where your knowledge base is right so Here's my next meeting Grace is just Just jump in here Mike so I'm gonna wrap Wrap this one up and uh like I said Thank you once again for everything and Stay in touch we'll talk to you soon Mike hey stay safe out there kids Hey guys today's video is brought to you By top Dawn that everybody needs to Carry a jump box in their vehicle this Is more than just a jump box this is a 3 000 Peak amp jump starting tool and Power bank now we'll support vehicles With 12 volt batteries up to nine liter Gas engines and seven liter diesel Engines it's capable of 45 jump starts On one single charge as always we'll Have a link below so you can check it Out and a big thanks to top Don and jump Search 3000. [Music] Thank you
